I have received great responses to my post about Roissy's young women. I'm going to pick a few threads from the comments and do my best to give a thoughtful response tomorrow.
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Hope said - What you read at Roissy are the "wants" of a particular breed of men. Note that they only talk about how a woman should be submissive, young and beautiful. No mention of emotional, spiritual or mental connection. Just pure biology.... Marrying young, short female fertility window and physical beauty are surely important. But the strongest unions are between self-actualized, self-aware and emotionally mature people
Rake replied: Yes, love is more than just our physical bodies, but having an understanding of biomechanics and the more primal urges that drive us is part of being self-actualized, self-aware, and emotionally mature
Bhetti weighed in : Perhaps a better chance at happiness, yes (in reference to young women being better prepared for relationship after reading Roissy). Also a much sharper awareness and motivation focused on that I really need to take care of my physical body, I suppose.
Firepower exploded : hot young women are a lost cause. They don't think - they don't have to. Then, predictably, like clockwork, those that do have half a brain hit the 29th Wall and suddenly - all find deep, clear, abiding - "introspection." Until age 25 they couldn't fucking spell the word unless a man did it for them.Young women don't need "opinions" - they're all vapid tarts with interchangeable vaginas.
Hope's opinion on Roissy men- It's sad though. Hiding behind the tough shell, not willing to give or receive love. The men on Roissy are mostly hiding behind those hardened shells.They don't even want love. They wouldn't know what to do with it if they got it. They'd be suspicious the woman wants something for them in return for her affections. Emotionally stunted and stuck in a dark place. It's really rather sad. I feel bad for them. Don't glorify that world view. Young and hot women, yadi yada. Whatever. They can have at them. They do not know true love, sharing of mutual love, only selfish greed and lust...Although I learned a lot at Roissy's, it was more of an education the way someone learns what NOT to look for in a man along with what to look for. Leadership and confidence? Sure. Negativity and asking for the hot young chicks? Pass
DA with his steadfast advice - Remember, David leaves four options for women:1) Marry an alpha2) Mistress to an alpha3) Single with optional motherhood or pets4) Go lesbian
Clio the wise said - ...It may be true that Game (the signals of male dominance) is always or nearly always attractive to women. On the whole I think it is true; certainly in reading Roissy I realised it was the common thread in the otherwise very diverse men to whom I was attracted over the years. But there are many other truths which Roissy overstates or exaggerates, partly in order to make up for the politically correct foolishness about men and women which appears in popular culture. For example, dominant men's preference for young women is strong but not absolute. Another example: R. usually plays down the value of personality in men's choice of women, but it does matter. Even he acknowledges that certain traits - lack of femininity in particular (including boasting, swearing, being too career-obsessed) - can be repellent in otherwise attractive women. And one thing R. *doesn't* mention, because it isn't in the interest of Gamers to admit it, is the fact that nearly all men are as much turned off as women by excessive neediness in a prospective mate. It devalues a woman in a man's eyes and makes her seem as if she wants a man, any man, rather than wanting him for himself. The tricky issue for women is how to allow themselves to be open and vulnerable, on the one hand, yet not become needy and clinging, on the other. It's difficult to do and you can only manage it if you force yourself to adopt a degree of detachment from every man you date. The only way to do that, for most women, is not to permit physical intimacies too soon. And to adopt Roissy's maxim-for-men of never allowing yourself to develop what Gamers call "oneitis": the notion that there is only one person in the world for you. In fact, the mental toughness that Roissy advocates for beta males ("learn Inner Game") can be, if appropriately feminized, a valuable skill for women too. But it requires that we learn never to fool ourselves about what we're really up to, or what a man is really like.
DA responding to Clio - That was part of what I found so disconcerting about the blog (women's natural response to dominant males). It destroyed the pretty lie that as a non-dominant male, I could stumble upon a girl that could want me. Even though I never made the effort to go chase after women in direct contrast to most men of my age, I always wanted some hope that I'd stumble upon a girl in a manner aping a silly romantic comedy.
Bhetti talking about her own chance at love - Much more difficult at my age due to the psychology of men at this stage in their development and with my generation's brainwashing to find someone who's sufficiently dominant
Hope with interesting personal experience at Roissy- Honestly I say this as someone who has "been there," and been very much into that myself. We women tend to be more "agreeable" -- here's a bunch of guys who are all agreeing with each other, and we see that and almost can't help but agree as well. There's danger in that kind of conformity
Doug thoughtfully replied- I agree with most of clio's thoughtful post.However I think this parts at the end are terrible advice and destructive of love. This: "And to adopt Roissy's maxim-for-men of never allowing yourself to develop what Gamers call "oneitis": the notion that there is only one person in the world for you.In fact, the mental toughness that Roissy advocates for beta males ("learn Inner Game") can be, if appropriately feminized, a valuable skill for women too. But it requires that we learn never to fool ourselves about what we're really up to, or what a man is really like." Instead a woman should be careful about with whom she develops "oneitis".
Doug wades in again - It is certainly true that Roissy's scorn of women over 29 is not shared by most men in their late thirties and older. I firmly believe that a significant age gap usually works better, however.
I'll give a response tomorrow. I want readers to add their own thoughts to the discussion. Basically it centres around the usefulness of reading at Roissy - game, men, women etc etc.
